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  • 1.  metal objects

    Posted 07-19-2022 20:43
    I have a question, we at the Rutland Historical Society use our basement for Storage. Unfortunately we some times get flooding, we therefore don't have anything on the bottom shelf. We do have a number of metal rusted artifacts and I wondered if we could store them on the botteom shelf with the knowledge that they might get wet. I don't know if the water would hurt the already rusted objects.

    The reason I am asking is that if we were able to use the bottom shelves, we would have so much more available storage space. We could even store paper documents on the shelving that now has the metal objects. What does everybody think ?

    Sincerely,

    Ron Hemenway

    Rutland Historical Society


  • 2.  RE: metal objects

    Posted 07-20-2022 16:21
    I can't recommend storing iron where it may be exposed to water as a flooding event can initiate a new corrosion event.  If storage space is an issue, have you considered using high grade plastic totes or crates on your lowest shelves to protect collections from water ingress.

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    Nichole Doub
    Head Conservator
    Maryland Archaeological Conservation Laboratory
    Saint Leonard MD
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  • 3.  RE: metal objects

    Posted 07-21-2022 11:13
    I came here to say what Nicole said! So I'll just second her.

    Kate

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    Katherine Ridgway
    State Archaeological Conservator
    Virginia Department of Historic Resources
    2801 Kensington Avenue
    Richmond, VA 23221
    804-482-6442






  • 4.  RE: metal objects

    Posted 07-20-2022 16:23
    Ron,

    I deeply empathize with your storage issues. However, I have two major concerns about subjecting your metal objects, rusty or not, to likely flooding:

    1. Continued deterioration of your metal artifacts due to rusting
    2. The fact that flood water is never clean or pure, which means your metal objects would be exposed to a variety of contaminants--possibly dangerous for both your artifacts and anyone handling them

    My worry is that you would essentially be committing to sacrificing these objects for the sake of the paper objects. However, if the space situation is this desperate, yes, the metal would definitely survive a flood better than paper.

    The only possible safe option might be if the objects are small enough to store in sealable plastic tubs.

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    Diana Staresinic-Deane
    Executive Director
    Old Depot Museum/Franklin County Historical Society
    Ottawa KS
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  • 5.  RE: metal objects

    Posted 07-20-2022 16:23
    Hi Ron,

    Rusted metal objects would be very likely to sustain more damage if they come into contact with water. Moving paper documents into a basement that floods regularly would also put your documents at risk of water damage and mold - even if the water doesn't touch the documents, high humidity can cause mold to grow. It's best to continue leaving the bottom shelf empty.

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    Katie Guttman
    Museum Specialist
    Great Basin Institute/Death Valley National Park
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  • 6.  RE: metal objects

    Posted 07-20-2022 17:16
    All,

    Perhaps, I should explain. We rarely get flooding, but it does hapen. We have a water bug to monitor the potential for flooding as well a a dehumidifier. We do store bound volumes of newspapers in the basement in special shelving units that are off the floor of the basement. I don't think there is any risk of mold with the papers. We have been in this building 29 years and I have not heard of any one worry about it before.

    Ron Hemenway

    Rutland Historical Society






  • 7.  RE: metal objects

    Posted 07-21-2022 07:36

    A few real life experience thoughts to add
    1.   A monitor will only alert you after the fact, which isn't helpful. you have some equipment in case, but that wont stop the water from corroding the objects
    2.  Plastic sounds great... but a.  you are creating a micro climate and b.  if water gets in the plastic, you've made the issue worse.
    3.  Even people who have been through numerous hurricanes without damage, can get destroyed.  With climate changes you have to prepare and plan for the worst.

    Its a very difficult situation, but you need to weight that potential loss vs doing offsite storage vs possibly deaccessioning or displaying where they are safe and no longer something for you to be concerned with.  



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    Lauren Isaacs
    Owner, Chief Conservator
    New York NY
    (716) 830-1349
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  • 8.  RE: metal objects

    Posted 07-21-2022 07:36

    I would definitely not expose rusted artefacts to the risk of immersion in flood water – it is likely to make their condition much worse.  Instead, you could consider using the bottom shelf to store items in robust polypropylene boxes with well-fitting lids, that are watertight.  Some factors to consider:

     

    • How deep does the flood water rise above the shelf? If it rises to the level of the shelf above, then no, nothing that can be damaged by floodwater (which is often contaminated with sewage, bacteria and chemicals) can go on it.
    • If the flood water only rises an inch or two above the bottom shelf and you have fairly robust items, such as the rusted iron objects, which can be placed in boxes, they could be put on the lower shelf.  Include a big bag of silica gel beads in each box and make sure the objects are padded with a layer of thin polythene foam (Jiffy foam in the UK) so that they can't damage each other when the box is moved.
    • Don't put lightweight objects in the boxes as they could float off in a flood and the box could then tip and fill with water.
    • Don't use very large boxes and fill them with heavy objects or you won't be able to move them.

     

    It's a compromise, but would enable you to use the lower shelves with a reasonably low risk to the collection.

     

    Other thoughts:

    What flood mitigation measures can be put in place to minimise flooding in the basement?

    What actions do you take after flooding to reduce the relative humidity and minimise secondary damage to objects in the basement? Even if the water does not reach them, the high humidity and risk of mould and pests is a problem that must take considerable resources to address.

    Hazards from the flooding including contamination from the floodwater are a serious risk to the people working with the collection.

     

    On a general note, basements and attics are frequently used to store collections and are often the worst parts of the building to use. Historic houses and museums which have a shop or café should not store their collections in parts of the building that are not safe for shop stock or food storage, but you will often find saleable items get better storage than the collection which is the main reason for the organisation's existence. Or look at it another way:- if your director wouldn't have their office there, why should the collection be kept there?

     

    Hope this helps

    Helena

     






  • 9.  RE: metal objects

    Posted 07-21-2022 09:20
    All,

    I thank you for your responses. This is not flood water in the traditional sense as the society is at the top of a hill. It is rain water that leaks into the building.  I think it best not to put metal objects where they might get wet. I think the water only gets as high as an inch. mostl ikely not even that high. 

    I am wondering if it might be safer to put glass or porcelin objects in totes on the bottom shelf? The society has many many of these artifacts. I know these objects are subject to breakage if dropped, but I wondered if it was safe to put them in totes on the bottom shelf ?

    Ron Hemenway

    Rutland Historical Society





  • 10.  RE: metal objects

    Posted 07-21-2022 13:37
    Hi Ron,

    I think moving porcelain or glass objects into plastic totes on the bottoms shelves could be a good solution for you to free up space while still being proactive about the occasional water infiltration in your basement space.  If you have not yet, I would invite you to check out our STASH-c website (https://stashc.com/), which has a variety of tips and tricks for creating storage solutions.  After a quick glance there is a plastic tub and divider system that could be modified for your use (https://stashc.com/the-publication/containers-2/trays/tub-and-divider-system-for-fluid-collections/) but I bet there could be other helpful resources on there.

    All best,

    Laura

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    Laura Resch
    Assistant Preventive Conservator
    Cleveland Museum of Art
    Cleveland OH
    lresch@clevelandart.org
    e-Editor, Collection Care Network
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  • 11.  RE: metal objects

    Posted 07-25-2022 17:50

    Glass and porcelain could be light enough to be moved by the water and suffer physical damage,  so make sure the weight of the box is sufficient to withstand floating off, or tether the boxes securely.  Include polythene foam padding so the objects cannot touch each other when the box is moved.  I think a compromise is possible, though it's not ideal.

     

    Don't forget even rainwater can bring in other materials so may not be as clean as we imagine.

     

    Hope this helps

    Helena